Does MSAT correlate with intelligence?

What are people thinking? I'm honestly not too sure but I do think something has to be said about those who score extremely high. You can't be a dummy and score 200+... right? lol

no. the test can be learned, and it's also simple stuff just under insane time constraints, leaving little room for mistakes. i do think it has some correlation with intelligence but certainly not enough to use the MSAT as some benchmark or something.

there is, especially towards the top, but people just don't want to admit it. even though it comes down to keyboarding skills, i think that the skills can only be demonstrated through possessing a certain amount of intelligence and talent. someone that scores a 200 is a very high reasoning capacity, a high level of proficiency at keyboarding and key stroking, and a good deal of talent in the hand eye coordination department. people that have high scores dominate in these areas, and in general, they're smarter.

xjdog wrote:there is, especially towards the top, but people just don't want to admit it. even though it comes down to keyboarding skills, i think that the skills can only be demonstrated through possessing a certain amount of intelligence and talent. someone that scores a 200 is a very high reasoning capacity, a high level of proficiency at keyboarding and key stroking, and a good deal of talent in the hand eye coordination department. people that have high scores dominate in these areas, and in general, they're smarter.

magnifying the things that the MSAT tests and then acting as if those things completely encompass intelligence is not only disingenuous, but truly moronic. there is a correlation, but it's weak, and anyone with some brain cells can put in the work if they want to achieve a certain score. the keyboarding alone serves to be a barrier, as there are tons of test takers each year than are 200+ potential scorers but fail to obtain the score due to making errors/the inability to demonstrate top notch keyboarding skills. it does not mean they lack the intelligence, though.

mango wrote:

xjdog wrote:there is, especially towards the top, but people just don't want to admit it. even though it comes down to keyboarding skills, i think that the skills can only be demonstrated through possessing a certain amount of intelligence and talent. someone that scores a 200 is a very high reasoning capacity, a high level of proficiency at keyboarding and key stroking, and a good deal of talent in the hand eye coordination department. people that have high scores dominate in these areas, and in general, they're smarter.

magnifying the things that the MSAT tests and then acting as if those things completely encompass intelligence is not only disingenuous, but truly moronic. there is a correlation, but it's weak, and anyone with some brain cells can put in the work if they want to achieve a certain score. the keyboarding alone serves to be a barrier, as there are tons of test takers each year than are 200+ potential scorers but fail to obtain the score due to making errors/the inability to demonstrate top notch keyboarding skills. it does not mean they lack the intelligence, though.

but that's what he's saying. smarter people tend to keyboard better, so the smarter people aren't inhibited by this barrier. sure, everyone can do the facts, but only the most intelligent/talented/skilled can get the highest scores.

bossduck wrote:

mango wrote:

xjdog wrote:there is, especially towards the top, but people just don't want to admit it. even though it comes down to keyboarding skills, i think that the skills can only be demonstrated through possessing a certain amount of intelligence and talent. someone that scores a 200 is a very high reasoning capacity, a high level of proficiency at keyboarding and key stroking, and a good deal of talent in the hand eye coordination department. people that have high scores dominate in these areas, and in general, they're smarter.

magnifying the things that the MSAT tests and then acting as if those things completely encompass intelligence is not only disingenuous, but truly moronic. there is a correlation, but it's weak, and anyone with some brain cells can put in the work if they want to achieve a certain score. the keyboarding alone serves to be a barrier, as there are tons of test takers each year than are 200+ potential scorers but fail to obtain the score due to making errors/the inability to demonstrate top notch keyboarding skills. it does not mean they lack the intelligence, though.

but that's what he's saying. smarter people tend to keyboard better, so the smarter people aren't inhibited by this barrier. sure, everyone can do the facts, but only the most intelligent/talented/skilled can get the highest scores.

this is all backwards. yes, intelligent people score high on the test, but so do dumb people. it's because of the keyboarding barrier that the test fails to be an accurate measure of something like intelligence. we all know it doesn't take someone with a high intellect to master the tables, but where the consensus falls apart for most people is their opinion on whether keyboarding is something that comes from intelligence or skill. i believe it's a matter of skill, not intelligence. I think some of the most intelligent people in the world couldn't get a 200 no matter how hard they tried because they lack the keyboarding skills. I also personally know dumbasses that can type their ass off and ended up in the high 190s (and even 200+).

roger wrote:

bossduck wrote:

mango wrote:

xjdog wrote:there is, especially towards the top, but people just don't want to admit it. even though it comes down to keyboarding skills, i think that the skills can only be demonstrated through possessing a certain amount of intelligence and talent. someone that scores a 200 is a very high reasoning capacity, a high level of proficiency at keyboarding and key stroking, and a good deal of talent in the hand eye coordination department. people that have high scores dominate in these areas, and in general, they're smarter.

magnifying the things that the MSAT tests and then acting as if those things completely encompass intelligence is not only disingenuous, but truly moronic. there is a correlation, but it's weak, and anyone with some brain cells can put in the work if they want to achieve a certain score. the keyboarding alone serves to be a barrier, as there are tons of test takers each year than are 200+ potential scorers but fail to obtain the score due to making errors/the inability to demonstrate top notch keyboarding skills. it does not mean they lack the intelligence, though.

but that's what he's saying. smarter people tend to keyboard better, so the smarter people aren't inhibited by this barrier. sure, everyone can do the facts, but only the most intelligent/talented/skilled can get the highest scores.

this is all backwards. yes, intelligent people score high on the test, but so do dumb people. it's because of the keyboarding barrier that the test fails to be an accurate measure of something like intelligence. we all know it doesn't take someone with a high intellect to master the tables, but where the consensus falls apart for most people is their opinion on whether keyboarding is something that comes from intelligence or skill. i believe it's a matter of skill, not intelligence. I think some of the most intelligent people in the world couldn't get a 200 no matter how hard they tried because they lack the keyboarding skills. I also personally know dumbasses that can type their ass off and ended up in the high 190s (and even 200+).

ok.

so to get 180, there isn't much intel involved, not much skill.
at 195, not much intel, but much more skill.
wouldn't we say that 195 smarter overall? on top of having the same baseline intelligence the 180 guy has, the 195 also demonstrates more skill/talent.

^ no. the 195 just has better keyboarding skills. it does not mean they're smarter. this is confusing necessary with sufficient. classic logic flaw.

trinity wrote:^ no. the 195 just has better keyboarding skills. it does not mean they're smarter. this is confusing necessary with sufficient. classic logic flaw.

this is *confusing 'xjdog'* with 'someone worthy of having a conversation with'*.

bossduck wrote:

mango wrote:

xjdog wrote:there is, especially towards the top, but people just don't want to admit it. even though it comes down to keyboarding skills, i think that the skills can only be demonstrated through possessing a certain amount of intelligence and talent. someone that scores a 200 is a very high reasoning capacity, a high level of proficiency at keyboarding and key stroking, and a good deal of talent in the hand eye coordination department. people that have high scores dominate in these areas, and in general, they're smarter.

magnifying the things that the MSAT tests and then acting as if those things completely encompass intelligence is not only disingenuous, but truly moronic. there is a correlation, but it's weak, and anyone with some brain cells can put in the work if they want to achieve a certain score. the keyboarding alone serves to be a barrier, as there are tons of test takers each year than are 200+ potential scorers but fail to obtain the score due to making errors/the inability to demonstrate top notch keyboarding skills. it does not mean they lack the intelligence, though.

but that's what he's saying. smarter people tend to keyboard better, so the smarter people aren't inhibited by this barrier. sure, everyone can do the facts, but only the most intelligent/talented/skilled can get the highest scores.

no, you're just better at keyboarding. that does not mean you're smarter. that's the problem with all of the proponents of this view. they've somehow developed the assumption that because you can type better than someone else, you must be smarter than them in some way.

it's always the high 190 and 200+ scorers who carry this question in their back pockets. i wonder why...
obvious bias aside, i think anyone that truly sat and thought about this question would realize that the the answer is no.

I think the answer is yes, but there isn't a strong one. If we took 100 people with low IQ scores and had them take the MSAT, and we did the same exact study with 100 people with high IQ scores, I think we'd find that there would be more high MSAT scores in the high IQ group than there would be in the low IQ group. However, with that being said, I do think there would be high and low MSAT scores in both groups, meaning that the correlation would be weak rather than strong. In a literal sense, a person's MSAT score would be largely independent of their intelligence level. Idiots can score high, and geniuses can score low.

BigMouse, why did you make this thread? lmfao

yup. if you get a 200 you're the next Einstein.
get a grip.

i mean kinda, but not really.

I think it does, but not too much. I think only those who lack the necessary intelligence required get a 195+ will have a hard time getting there. That said, I don't think too many people lack the necessary intelligence to get a 195+.